Xenophobia

I am vehemently opposed to the xenophobia sweeping this country. Anti-Muslim, anti-Mexican and anti-gay fearmongering is NOT what America stands for. As a Jew I'm aware that this fear and hatred used to be directed toward my people. It was as stupid and pointless then as it is today. Put a stop to this foolishness. Commemorate 9/11 by taking some time to understand the problems facing these beleaguered groups.

You can be anti Muslim fundamentalist without being anti Muslim. There's a difference between going this aspect of this religion is bad, but the people who practice it are not all terrorists anymore than every single Christian is like those Westboro idiots and that nutwit Pearl who tells people to beat and dominate their kids.

Dude, you have christian fundamentalists telling people to beat their kids with sticks.
Plus, THIS IS AMERICA. Do you really think that Sharia laws will go over here? We like our beer, our ham, our nekkid women. It's not going to happen. Plus American is a country that's supposed to be based on religious freedom.
I'm kind of slightly more squicked by the Quiverfull movement and the FDLS. There's bond to be way more of them than Muslims. They already have the attutide that women exist just to have babies and obey men. There's all sorts of hatred towards gays right in our backyard without fretting over a handful of Muslims.
Do you really think folks should be asked before coming here, "Are you a Muslim?" "Yes." "Well. you can just GET OUT!"

That's not really very American.

http://www.gospeltruth.net/children/pearl_tuac.htm
http://www.thatmom.com/?p=3940
http://tritonelife.com/2010/03/03/is-michael-pearl-responsible-for-a-girls-death/

These folks have a several million dollar a year industry going on. Not only do they have a child abuse manual but there's also the Submit to your Husband Even if he's Being abusive book they are pushing.
Now, I will stop arguing with you and do something else like watch bad movie reviews and get rid of this headache.
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And there has to be a way to allow religious freedom without letting extremist do things such as teach parents to wail on their kids with plumbing supply line. If a religious group gets too extreme, perhaps their tax exempt status should be pulled? A growing population of people are learning to torment kids from Gothard, Pearl and the super popular Ezzo.

Dude
That is NOT MILD CORPORAL PUNISHMENT.
If you read the whole thing the guy is saying hit 4 months old with switches and older children with tree branches and plumbing supply piping for crying out like!
That is not mild.
He also says beat them into submission and defeat them utterly. A child did get beaten to death as a result of his screwed up horrible advice.
I will not argue with you now. It's like arguing with Orson Scott Card. A waste of time. You might as well beat a child to death rather than constantly and constantly inflict pain in the name of having all the authority. It's sick and tons of people are buying into it. But, not every Christian is, which is good, just like every single Muslim isn't in Al Queda.

Back to Sharia.  Here's how it works.

His tracts are scary. Someone gave me one when I was working at the Stupor Market.
I was rather shocked. I do not like the ones who believe in not spanking but BEATING children.
Before the age of two might I add and afterwards. It's just... harsh.

Thor wrote: Back to Sharia.  Here's how it works.   Earlier this year, Pakistan introduced a resolution to the UN, making it illegal for member countries to blaspheme religion or present it in a negative light (Quran-burning, for instance) based on Pakistan saying that Islam is being targeted .  While the US did not support the resolution, it passed anyway.  Now, we're bound by the resolution, at least in theory.   So, what do we do?  Do we abide by our rules, or by the rules set forth by the UN?  I don't know, as I don't know how bound we are by UN resolutions.  We'll see.

ForumAdmin wrote: Thor wrote: ForumAdmin, I've never heard you come out in support of Christian fundamentalism.  In fact, I'm pretty sure you've ranted against it.  So, what is it about Islamic fundamentalism that's changed your mind? This particular rant is directly opposed to many Christian "fundamentalists" as you put it. Though I would argue that the "fundamentals" of Christianity have nothing to do with hate, bigotry and downright fear of people who aren't you. Also I've not mentioned Islamic terrorists at all. I'm talking about ordinary Americans who happen to be Muslims and deserve the religious freedom guaranteed to all US citizens, whether I agree with them or not! Also, I think you already knew that and are just being obtuse. You unwittingly strengthen my point - which shouldn't even BE a point, it's just a decent human value expressed in words. I don't use the Westboro Baptist Church as the prime example by which Christians should be judged, and I don't judge all of Islam by the actions of lunatics and terrorists.

Thor wrote: Also, I disagree with people trying to boil the problem down to one word (xenophobia).  That's way too simple an explanation for a very complex problem.

 

Hey, it's your example of a moderate Muslim, Imam Rauf, who says it's feasible and, more importantly, wants it here.

Jimbo wrote: Thor wrote: Also, I disagree with people trying to boil the problem down to one word (xenophobia).  That's way too simple an explanation for a very complex problem.   You're right about that.   There are many more accurate words to describe it.   Stupidity, simpleness, misguidedness, ignorance, lazy-mindedness, bigotry, paranoia....   I could go on & on, but I need to go get lunch.   You get the idea, though.