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    Posted: 04 Jun 2015 at 2:43am
A Chattanooga TV Station, WRCB (NBC) has decided not to air any commercial promoting Same-Sex Marriages. It is also not airing any ad against the same subject.
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I suppose it's the best thing to do. Do anything pro they'll get all the psychotic unhinged whacko nutjobs coming after them, so the best they can do is not air any anti-equality bilge.
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^  The extremists are on both sides.  Do anything anti, and they'll have people screaming at them and calling them haters and threatening the advertisers on the station.

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I do think people say, "There's nothing wrong with being Gay," because they know that saying they think there is something wrong with being Gay can get them called Homophobic.
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There's nothing wrong with being gay.

There's a LOT wrong with being a F@ggot.

Don't be a f@ggot, Donathan.

Seriously, stop it...stop being a f@ggot....f@g...
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One of the commenters on the forum where I read this article said "It's about time someone took a stand against the "Gaystapo".

IMO Supreme Court Decision or not, the Issue of Same-Sex Marriage is poised to split this country apart in a fashion not seen since the 1800s. This one's a religious issue, and I never read about any Christian saying something about Slavery violated their religion (If you ever saw Roots there was a scene where a crew member aboard the ship heading to Africa (to take a load of Africans (Negros) back to America for a life as slaves) gave his opinion to the Captain (Who'd just gotten hired by the Line who owned that ship, and found out it was a slave ship) saying something like "Slavery is a good thing for them, as we're bringing Christianity to them, instead of that heathen Allah they pray to".

Likewise, the issue of Desegregation didn't get much opposition from Christian leaders of each race (Bear in mind the KKK weren't true Christians because they advocated violence to advance their cause (Jesus said himself he who takes up the cross will perish by the sword). Nonetheless I fear what this issue might end up causing another uprising. I hope I'm not within 50 miles of any major urban area if this happenes. God help us all.
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I recall reading of quite a lot of religious opposition to all this stuff.

The end of slavery was an attack on the tenants of Christianity, fighting for female equality and allowing them to vote and decide was anti-Christian, etc. etc.

And just like those things, they'll whine and bitch, the old ones will die out and rot, and the churches will change their views and minds, just like they have before.

As for the "No True [Scotsman] Christian" thing...Jesus never said anything anti-violence, and in all four gospels there's instances where he did quite violent things himself.
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Reg...from someone who spent plenty of time in Chattanooga, years back: mindsets in the area can be a little dated and want to remain that way. They are strong and popular ways of thinking and there is a LOT of land to forever disappear in and a LOT of people who never saw you if someone takes a dislike to you.
When I was there, it was always business. When the Missus came one time, it got a little dicey.
I can't see that it has changed - still so many small, remote areas, different religious sects, different extremist groups all around.
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Jesus never said anything anti-violence, and in all four gospels there's instances where he did quite violent things himself.


The only time Jesus ever had an "Attitude" was when he entered the Temple in Jerusalem and exposed the racketeering that was going on there (Telling worshipers the animals they brought to be sacrificed were "blemished' and were not qualifed, (Naturally a worshiper could purchase one of their "qualified" animals, for a price). They also didn't allow any kind of money other than their own currency, and their exchange rate wasn't the going rate either. (For example, say a worshiper has $100.00 dollars they want to offer. The "Moneychangers" would refuse that denomination, which they would sell for say $150 of their currency for $100 of the worshiper's cash, outside the temple the rate was $250.00 of their currency for $100.00 of a worshiper's currency (Naturally, such a currency exchange was located too far away for a worshiper to get a fair exchange). So what did Jesus do, he Overturned the tables of these scam artists and drove them out of the temple! Needless this didn't get any points from the "mafia" that ran this racket, and the moneychangers were the first to plot to have Jesus "Rubbed Out".
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The end of slavery was an attack on the tenants of Christianity, fighting for female equality and allowing them to vote and decide was anti-Christian, etc. etc.


Actually, there was a lot of division within Christianity over slavery.  But it was Christianity (especially in the North) that spearheaded the anti-slavery movement.  That goes back to the 1600s, but gained more traction in the 1700s.  On the other side, many scientists of the era supported slavery, believing that blacks were inferior, and fearing that abolition would lead to the dilution of the white race.  Charles Darwin changed much of that, but that wasn't until the years right before the Civil War.

But to say that "the end of slavery was an attack on the tenets (not 'tenants') of Christianity" is not exactly true.  Some Southern Christian sects continued to justify it (probably for economic reasons), but most Christian religions had long been opposed.

And women were treated as inferior long before Christianity existed.  It at least goes back to the Old Testament, and may even predate that.  


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Christianity had no problem segregating races at the church-level. Happened everywhere, but more heavily in the South. Then again, the Church was a handy vehicle for escaping war criminals, also.
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A lot of very bad things have been justified in the name of Christianity over the centuries.

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^  Same with secularism and science.  As I mentioned, science justified the "inferiority" of the black race long after Christianity was abandoning it.  And don't forget how, at its root, Planned Parenthood was about eugenics.


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Oh yea, escape route for war criminals, witch & heretic hunts and execution of the accused and innocents, and...well...were you ever baptized, ol'mule?Wink

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I'm not sure why Christians get the entire brunt of the anti-gay accusations, and are the ones accused of being "haters" due to their anti-gay marriage stance.  Hell, it was only 10 or 15 years ago then, that almost everyone was one of these haters.  Hell, Obama was a "hater" just a few years ago.

These things take time to settle in.  You can't expect to change thousands of years of doing things (marriage) a certain way, within just 10 or 15 years, which is about how long the idea of gay marriage has been on the table.  To oppose this instantaneous change is not proof of "hatred".


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^  Same with secularism and science.  As I mentioned, science justified the "inferiority" of the black race long after Christianity was abandoning it.  And don't forget how, at its root, Planned Parenthood was about eugenics.

Just without the massive amount of hypocrisy involved.

Secularists & scientists might have followed some misguided theories back in older, simpler, less sophisticated times, but they weren't doing so while telling the rest of us that God, the creator of the universe, favored them over everybody else because their belief system & morals were superior to all other humans & religions.

When a group of people behaves in such a self-righteous, morally superior manner, they are just setting themselves for an extra helping of scorn & derision when they step off the narrow line they've drawn for themselves.

It's a normal & to be expected reaction. People hate moral & religious hypocrisy worse than any other kind.


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The difference is that science admits when its wrong and alters its views with new information (Well, black people look more ape-ish than white men, so they must be inferior...oops, wait, we're all genetically identical minus about 0.00000008% of our DNA, guess we were wrong, there.)

Whereas the religions, on average, only change their mind when it means losing followers.

Hell, even Eugenics at its very core wasn't a bad idea, it was just a bad thing when it was combined with the ignorance of the time, and a total lack of understanding as to how inheritance works. In to-days world, the general and core elements of eugenics could be applied to genetically testing couples in order to at least inform them of potential defects or problems their offspring could have, or promoting the encouragement of certain people to try to have relationships outside their circle (Jewish people, since there's a huge variety of Jew-specific genetic diseases and defects that could be subdued or totally avoided in offspring by mating with a non-Jew.)

But, of course, because the Eugenics movement was tied to racism and Nazism, people see any kind of awareness of genetics as an evil attempt to segregate and kill off the "inferior" people...totally forgetting that these cases are advisory, and based on observed factual DNA, not unbased willy-nilly notions that came from the same days we thought being born in a certain class meant you'd always be that class, no matter how you were raised.
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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

^  Same with secularism and science.  As I mentioned, science justified the "inferiority" of the black race long after Christianity was abandoning it.  And don't forget how, at its root, Planned Parenthood was about eugenics.

Just without the massive amount of hypocrisy involved.

Secularists & scientists might have followed some misguided theories back in older, simpler, less sophisticated times, but they weren't doing so while telling the rest of us that God, the creator of the universe, favored them over everybody else because their belief system & morals were superior to all other humans & religions.

When a group of people behaves in such a self-righteous, morally superior manner, they are just setting themselves for an extra helping of scorn & derision when they step off the narrow line they've drawn for themselves.

It's a normal & to be expected reaction. People hate moral & religious hypocrisy worse than any other kind.


Considering where the thread topic started - do not know if either of you are familiar with the area (Chattanooga, Tennessee). Once you get slightly out of town, it can get really scary really fast. As I said earlier, from someone who spent time in Chattanooga, years back: mindsets in the area can be a little dated and have no desire to change. Old secular ways remain strong and popular and there is a LOT of land to forever disappear in and a LOT of people who never saw you if they take a dislike to you. There are still so many small, remote areas, different small religious sects, different extremist groups all around - and they're all entwined. Much is tolerated, but don't push your luck and don't be surprised if something unpopular to your way of thinking and/or being occurs.
 
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Originally posted by Papa Lazarou Papa Lazarou wrote:

The difference is that science admits when its wrong and alters its views with new information (Well, black people look more ape-ish than white men, so they must be inferior...oops, wait, we're all genetically identical minus about 0.00000008% of our DNA, guess we were wrong, there.)

Whereas the religions, on average, only change their mind when it means losing followers.

Hell, even Eugenics at its very core wasn't a bad idea, it was just a bad thing when it was combined with the ignorance of the time, and a total lack of understanding as to how inheritance works. In to-days world, the general and core elements of eugenics could be applied to genetically testing couples in order to at least inform them of potential defects or problems their offspring could have, or promoting the encouragement of certain people to try to have relationships outside their circle [B](Jewish people, since there's a huge variety of Jew-specific genetic diseases and defects that could be subdued or totally avoided in offspring by mating with a non-Jew.)[/B]

But, of course, because the Eugenics movement was tied to racism and Nazism, people see any kind of awareness of genetics as an evil attempt to segregate and kill off the "inferior" people...totally forgetting that these cases are advisory, and based on observed factual DNA, not unbased willy-nilly notions that came from the same days we thought being born in a certain class meant you'd always be that class, no matter how you were raised.


I'm not arguing or disputing the central idea of what you just said, except for the part about Jewish specific genetics. With the exception of one Jewish scientist in NY, it has always been universally accepted that Jews are not a race, they are a religion.

In terms of race & genetics, Middle Eastern Jews & Arabs are the same people & share the same genetic makeup.

Other than that one point, agreed.

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They don't have to be a race to have this. The fact is that people who follow the Jewish faith marry within the Jewish faith, and up until a lot of their spreading they prided themselves of marrying within "their people" Of course, within America and bits of Europe there's always some marrying outside of the fold, but overall there's still a list of specific genetic diseases to Jewish people. Since they are encouraged to marry within their fold, the genetic variety dwindles.

As a comparison, Amish people are not a different race, but they also have a wide variety of specific genetic diseases and defects simply due to being a people who seek to limit their relations to within the fold.

There's also the Bombay blood types which are not racially distinct from other Indians, but due to the caste system, the genetic pool became so limited you now have an incredibly rare and unique bloodtype.
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Originally posted by PaWolf PaWolf wrote:

Considering where the thread topic started - do not know if either of you are familiar with the area (Chattanooga, Tennessee). Once you get slightly out of town, it can get really scary really fast. As I said earlier, from someone who spent time in Chattanooga, years back: mindsets in the area can be a little dated and have no desire to change. Old secular ways remain strong and popular and there is a LOT of land to forever disappear in and a LOT of people who never saw you if they take a dislike to you. There are still so many small, remote areas, different small religious sects, different extremist groups all around - and they're all entwined. Much is tolerated, but don't push your luck and don't be surprised if something unpopular to your way of thinking and/or being occurs.

A friend & I spent one night in Chattanooga back in 1983. Strange, weird town with strange, weird people.

We had camped out for a few days at Stone Mountain outside Atlanta. Prior to deciding to go camping, we had gotten tickets to see Jackson Browne in concert, but sold them in order to go on the camping trip.

While we were up there, we heard that JB was playing in Chattanooga, which was a short drive & we figured we could camp in the mountains around there, too. So we went up there, got a hotel room on the day of the concert & headed on foot through downtown towards the UTC campus arena aka "The Roundhouse", to get the tickets & hang out until it was time for the show to start.

We figured with a college campus being right there, there must be a bar nearby to sit & toss back some beers for a couple of hours, so we headed over towards where one was supposed to be. As we approached, we could see that it was a decent looking place, with an open front porch & ferns hanging inside. But at the same time, we could both feel this very strange, unfriendly vibe coming out of the place.

The porch was full of young college kids who were all just sitting there stone silent, not uttering a word, just staring at us as we approached. It had an almost "We don't cotton to no strangers around these here parts" kind of feel to it. My friend muttered barely aloud if I thought we should go in. We skipped it.

After the concert was over, we walked back to the hotel & went up to the bar on the top floor & had a few until they called last call. Got in the elevator to go back down to our floor & there was this stereotypical fat hillbilly dude with long hair, a beard & overalls in there with us (picture Charlie Daniels) who was making odd, sarcastic sounding comments about "smoking dope & getting f*cked up".

The next morning after we checked out & were carrying our stuff back out to my truck, there was a bunch of people hanging around outside the lobby entrance underneath the canopy. As we walked by, one or two of them started making strange noises that I can only assume were directed at us.

I was happy to put that town in my rearview mirror.

Headed up to Raccoon Mountain & got a campsite at a place where was a small convenience store just up the road which sold draft beer by the gallon. Bring your own plastic milk jug or they supplied them for a quarter each. Fill it yourself.

That was pretty cool.


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They don't have to be a race to have this. The fact is that people who follow the Jewish faith marry within the Jewish faith, and up until a lot of their spreading they prided themselves of marrying within "their people" Of course, within America and bits of Europe there's always some marrying outside of the fold, but overall there's still a list of specific genetic diseases to Jewish people. Since they are encouraged to marry within their fold, the genetic variety dwindles.

As a comparison, Amish people are not a different race, but they also have a wide variety of specific genetic diseases and defects simply due to being a people who seek to limit their relations to within the fold.

There's also the Bombay blood types which are not racially distinct from other Indians, but due to the caste system, the genetic pool became so limited you now have an incredibly rare and unique bloodtype.


So, why don't Arab Muslims have the same genetic related disorders since they share not only the same genes, but presumably the same cultural practice of marrying within their own race & religion as well?



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well, for one, it's not exactly a tight-knit religion, spread over huge portions of Asia and Africa, meaning that marrying in the religion could still be done while maintaining humongous genetic variety, whereas the Jewish peoples mostly stayed in a small region unless they were the ones that migrated into Europe.

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by PaWolf PaWolf wrote:

Considering where the thread topic started - do not know if either of you are familiar with the area (Chattanooga, Tennessee). Once you get slightly out of town, it can get really scary really fast. As I said earlier, from someone who spent time in Chattanooga, years back: mindsets in the area can be a little dated and have no desire to change. Old secular ways remain strong and popular and there is a LOT of land to forever disappear in and a LOT of people who never saw you if they take a dislike to you. There are still so many small, remote areas, different small religious sects, different extremist groups all around - and they're all entwined. Much is tolerated, but don't push your luck and don't be surprised if something unpopular to your way of thinking and/or being occurs.

A friend & I spent one night in Chattanooga back in 1983. Strange, weird town with strange, weird people.

We had camped out for a few days at Stone Mountain outside Atlanta. Prior to deciding to go camping, we had gotten tickets to see Jackson Browne in concert, but sold them in order to go on the camping trip.

While we were up there, we heard that JB was playing in Chattanooga, which was a short drive & we figured we could camp in the mountains around there, too. So we went up there, got a hotel room on the day of the concert & headed on foot through downtown towards the UTC campus arena aka "The Roundhouse", to get the tickets & hang out until it was time for the show to start.

We figured with a college campus being right there, there must be a bar nearby to sit & toss back some beers for a couple of hours, so we headed over towards where one was supposed to be. As we approached, we could see that it was a decent looking place, with an open front porch & ferns hanging inside. But at the same time, we could both feel this very strange, unfriendly vibe coming out of the place.

The porch was full of young college kids who were all just sitting there stone silent, not uttering a word, just staring at us as we approached. It had an almost "We don't cotton to no strangers around these here parts" kind of feel to it. My friend muttered barely aloud if I thought we should go in. We skipped it.

After the concert was over, we walked back to the hotel & went up to the bar on the top floor & had a few until they called last call. Got in the elevator to go back down to our floor & there was this stereotypical fat hillbilly dude with long hair, a beard & overalls in there with us (picture Charlie Daniels) who was making odd, sarcastic sounding comments about "smoking dope & getting f*cked up".

The next morning after we checked out & were carrying our stuff back out to my truck, there was a bunch of people hanging around outside the lobby entrance underneath the canopy. As we walked by, one or two of them started making strange noises that I can only assume were directed at us.

I was happy to put that town in my rearview mirror.

Headed up to Raccoon Mountain & got a campsite at a place where was a small convenience store just up the road which sold draft beer by the gallon. Bring your own plastic milk jug or they supplied them for a quarter each. Fill it yourself.

That was pretty cool.


If you were not making up a story, I'll say you about nailed the area.
I was introduced to a LOT of folk in the area while I worked around there - made some great friends and was introduced and taken in as 'family' (I dare never show pics of the Missus). Was highly advised to maintain my relationships there...but have let them lapse over the past 15 -20 years. I'd be little less than terrified to show my face around there, these days...but wow - I sure could use some of that real 'home cooking', ice cold beers. peace and simple chat, once again...but then I'd have to ensue I didn't slip into Cleveland, Tennessee (AVOID!). 
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