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    Posted: 30 Apr 2008 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by Madawee Madawee wrote:

Getting back ON topic, there is an ad running in New York that has this woman (Marie from the Bronx) who, due to her smoking, hAd something like 20 amputations over a course of 12 years. She holds up her hands and her finger tips are all lopped off and it looks like she may be missing a foot and some toes.
 
I suppose this is when the average smoker lets out a horrified GASP and flushes their butts down the toilet.
 
I've known smokers - lots of them - and I've never heard of anyone needing their digits amputated. Clearly, this isn't the norm and it pissses me off that they use these scare tactics. They just don't seem to work.


OKay, yeah, that seems kind of ridiculous. The threat should at least make some kind of sense. Just how in the hell do you wind up needing to have things amputated because of smoking?
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Went kind of off-topic here, didn't we?
 
 


We should just start our own thread: Thor and Violet Go Wildly Off-Topic!Tongue

Of course, if we did do that it wouldn't be off topic really . . .
Thor & Violet's Thread of Jefferson Family Miscellany!

I've heard Grace's White Levi's and Spencer's Twig City - but I don't know that I've heard Jack's I'm a Duck, or Marty's Stretch Levi's. They're not on that recording.
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Getting back ON topic, there is an ad running in New York that has this woman (Marie from the Bronx) who, due to her smoking, hAd something like 20 amputations over a course of 12 years. She holds up her hands and her finger tips are all lopped off and it looks like she may be missing a foot and some toes.
 
I suppose this is when the average smoker lets out a horrified GASP and flushes their butts down the toilet.
 
I've known smokers - lots of them - and I've never heard of anyone needing their digits amputated. Clearly, this isn't the norm and it pissses me off that they use these scare tactics. They just don't seem to work.
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Went kind of off-topic here, didn't we?
 
 
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Another thing I found, Violet.  A page of White Rabbit cover videos, including Patti Smith's!  Back up one page, and there's all sorts of Airplane stuff.
 
 
 
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At the time the commercial came out, I was about 11, and wouldn't have cared about "hippie hypocrisy".  Probably wouldn't have cared later, either.  I've never begrudged struggling musicians their money (never even bothered me, in theory, when musicians "sold out" their music to be used in commercials.  I just dislike hearing the songs in those commercials over and over).
 
In looking up the JA Levi's ad, I came across this page of a radio station website.  Apparently, once a year, part of their playlist includes old rock music radio commercials.  Here's a list of what they played one day, late 2005 (Pete Townsend for the US Air Force???) :
 

Dick Lurie Guitar Lessons (1959)
Sav-On Drugstores (tape recorder)
"7-UP Is All Action!" (1964)
Youth Opportunity PSA with Minnesota Twin Earl Batty (ca. 1965)
WABC Greatest Hits (1964)
Promo, Beatles concert at Candlestick Park, San Francisco
"Rinse Clean Surf" detergent with Beatles tie-in (1964)
Golden Earring for Coca Cola
Sears spot featuring the Seekers

The Jefferson Airplane for Levis (Grace Slick, "White Levis")
"I Am A Groupie" trailer
Kip Sun Soak ("Please Don't Touch My Body")
"Hells Angels On Wheels" trailer
The Yardbirds for Great Shakes
Promo: The Byrds/Albert King/AB Skye at the Rose Auditorium, Pasadena, CA
1970 Pontiac GTO, "The Humbler"
"Death Race 2000" trailer

Some Chevy spot with "A Mighty Wind" folk overtones
unnamed track, "Chevrolet Sings For Safe Driving" (H.S. driver ed LP?)
"Gotta Move Those Chevys" spot
Paul Revere & The Raiders -- Corvair Baby (promo song for Chevrolet; flip of "SS 396")
The Exotics -- Bill McKay Chevrolet spot
The Four Wheels (aka The Boys Next Door) for Casite Motor Honey

"Psych-Out!" trailer
The Jefferson Airplane for Levis (Spencer Dryden, "Twig City")
Promo for the Velvet Underground and Andy Warhol show at the Trip
"The Big Beat/Summer Love" twin bill trailer
Leslie Gore for Coca Cola
Quicksilver -- Chevy Camaro spot ('67 or '68)
The Chiffons for H.I.S. slacks
Heart Association spot, featuring the McCoys
"Ghost In The Invisible Bikini" trailer
The Buckinghams for the Rowe AMI stereo jukebox
The Hondells for Honda (1966)

"The Young Seducers" trailer
Paraphernalia Clothes "Does It Make You Feel Sexy?"
"It's A Good Day To Buy A New Car; It's A Groovy Day"
1966 Dodge Rebellion
Pete Townsend of The Who for the U.S. Air Force
The Stone Ponies w/Linda Rondstat for Pepsi
Promo, The Doors and the Staple Singers, in concert
The American Breed for Coca Cola
TheAmerican Iron and Steel Institute, "All Good Things Come In Steel Cans"

Radio Free Europe PSA featuring Jack Webb
Tennessee Ernie Ford for the U.S. Army Combat Arms (1963)
1972 "Get Out The Vote" PSA featuring Jim Dandy of Black Oak Arkansas
"What's A Hallucinogen" PSA
The Bell System ( "My Name Is Michael; My Name Is Jill")
The Jefferson Airplane for Levi's (Jack Cassady, "I Am A Duck")
Tommy James & The Shondells -- "Travelin' " LP promo
Concert promo for "The New Cream" (Blind Faith), WFIL radio
Stay In School PSA by Sonny & Cher (Why? "Because it's cool!")

1972 "Get Out The Vote" PSA featuring Terry Talbot of Mason Proffit
Doug Brown & The Omens -- "Youth And Experience" (campaign reelection song for Michigan Sen. Bob Griffith)
"Wild In The Streets" trailer
Promo for "The Monkees Present" LP, on Colgems
"The In Sound" (syndicated interview show) featuring the Monkees
The Hondells "Pepsi Generation"

The Jefferson Airplane for Levi's (Marty Balin, "Stretch Levis")
Kim Fowley's "Outrageous" LP promo
Frank Zappa for Remington Electric Razor
(bed) The Exotics for Mitchell's Department Store
(bed) The Springfield Rifle for Nordstroms' Department Store

http://www.radiorumpusroom.com/pages/121605_playlist.html
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:



*Did you know he wrote Crown of Creation when the Humphrey campaign asked JA to write a song for them? "Soon you'll obtain the stability you strive for in the only way that it's granted - in a place among the fossils of our time . . ."
Needless to say the Humphrey campaign decided not to use it. LOL
 
I didn't know that.  Funny, though!  LOL
 
Have you ever heard the song the Airplane did for a Levi's commercial?  If not, here 'tis:
 
 
 
 


Yeah, they kind of got in trouble for that because it was right around the time that workers in a Levi's factory somewhere were protesting their treatment. The band didn't know about that when they recorded it, and Paul wanted to do the commercials because a) they gave them ridiculous amounts of freedom (as I'm sure you can tell from the resulting ads. . .) and b) he wasn't allowed to wear jeans in school when he was growing up, so to him they were kind of a symbol of rebellion. (He went to really strict schools. His elementary school was a Catholic Military boarding school. Really. "Nuns and Guns. As a result, I now fear nothing.") I read in some book of essays about the sixties how the person who had written that particular essay thought it characterized hippie hypocrisy or something, but I really don't think they knew - and who would think to demand a tour of all their factories to check on conditions there before doing a couple of :30 spots? Well, maybe today you would, but probably not so much then.Wink
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This whole nanny state thing has GOT to go.  Just heard on the news that a a California state assemblyman (Democrat, of course  WinkLOL) wants to install a major tax on alcohol---one that would break down to about 30 cents per can of beer---so that the government can cure people's addictions.
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Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:



*Did you know he wrote Crown of Creation when the Humphrey campaign asked JA to write a song for them? "Soon you'll obtain the stability you strive for in the only way that it's granted - in a place among the fossils of our time . . ."
Needless to say the Humphrey campaign decided not to use it. LOL
 
I didn't know that.  Funny, though!  LOL
 
Have you ever heard the song the Airplane did for a Levi's commercial?  If not, here 'tis:
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

I think you may be missing the point/message. The reason they're doing this stuff is that these are really disturbing facts that aren't widely known, and they're trying to get the information out there. I believe it's called irony.

Other examples of irony (and some shameless self-promotion on my part) can be seen here and in my collection of disturbing-quotes-from-"family-values"-people-done-in-needlework (here, here, here, here, here, and here), as well as my "Homeland Security Blanket" (a child-size quilt of rather upsetting images from the government's own homeland security preparedness website), and it's companion pieces the ABC cross-stitch of scary things, and terror alert chart Cross-stitch and Pillow.

So it's possible I'm a little biased because their tactic is the same one that I love to use, but I really don't find them that annoying. And if they convince people not to smoke, all the better.
 
Violet Lightning, I actually agree with many of the family-values sentiments in your needlework. 
 
 


Shocked And you're from San Francisco?


Well, for instance, the first bit of needlework you posted (Sex Respect per an abstinence-only curriculum)...I don't see anything disturbing at all about the sentiments espoused there. 
 
Yep!  You'd never know it by where I lived, the way I looked, the things I did, or the music I like (JA??!!) over the years, but I've become quite conservative over the years.  Kind of always was.
 
For the record (so to speak), I have no problem with the Airplane's often radical lyrics.  I understand the era.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Skerlnik Skerlnik wrote:

Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

"The American Legacy Foundation, which provides strategic direction and funding for the truth® campaign, received in 2003 what is likely its final payment to the National Public Education Fund established by the Master Settlement Agreement.  Despite its success, the truth® campaign now faces an unprecedented funding challenge."
 
Gee, no wonder they're so cheap and weak.   And, how in the world are they determining that the campaign is a "success"?   I've never heard anyone state that it was a douchenozzle commercial that was a factor in helping them quit smoking.
 
They are annoying, condescending, sanctimonious and unfunny.   And, I'm not even a smoker.


I think they're claiming that their intended purpose is reducing the number of people (esp. under 30) who start smoking, and exposing the seedy side of the tobacco industry. So you can measure your success differently when you state your purpose that way.
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Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

I think you may be missing the point/message. The reason they're doing this stuff is that these are really disturbing facts that aren't widely known, and they're trying to get the information out there. I believe it's called irony.

Other examples of irony (and some shameless self-promotion on my part) can be seen here and in my collection of disturbing-quotes-from-"family-values"-people-done-in-needlework (here, here, here, here, here, and here), as well as my "Homeland Security Blanket" (a child-size quilt of rather upsetting images from the government's own homeland security preparedness website), and it's companion pieces the ABC cross-stitch of scary things, and terror alert chart Cross-stitch and Pillow.

So it's possible I'm a little biased because their tactic is the same one that I love to use, but I really don't find them that annoying. And if they convince people not to smoke, all the better.
 
Violet Lightning, I actually agree with many of the family-values sentiments in your needlework. 
 
 


Shocked And you're from San Francisco?

Harkening back to a thread that you and I dominated awhile ago, I was really excited to show Paul Kantner the postcards I'd had made of the ABC cross-stitch (we had to have them made, it was part of our grade). You can imagine how much I'd want to have the opinion of someone I consider a political artist*, who has inspired me so much. So we were backstage and I handed it him. He sat and looked at it for a moment and finally said "That's depressing."
"That's the point."
"You should do a happy version."
"No I shouldn't."
Oh, well.

*Did you know he wrote Crown of Creation when the Humphrey campaign asked JA to write a song for them? "Soon you'll obtain the stability you strive for in the only way that it's granted - in a place among the fossils of our time . . ."
Needless to say the Humphrey campaign decided not to use it. LOL
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Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

"The American Legacy Foundation, which provides strategic direction and funding for the truth® campaign, received in 2003 what is likely its final payment to the National Public Education Fund established by the Master Settlement Agreement.  Despite its success, the truth® campaign now faces an unprecedented funding challenge."
 
Gee, no wonder they're so cheap and weak.   And, how in the world are they determining that the campaign is a "success"?   I've never heard anyone state that it was a douchenozzle commercial that was a factor in helping them quit smoking.
 
They are annoying, condescending, sanctimonious and unfunny.   And, I'm not even a smoker.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

I think you may be missing the point/message. The reason they're doing this stuff is that these are really disturbing facts that aren't widely known, and they're trying to get the information out there. I believe it's called irony.

Other examples of irony (and some shameless self-promotion on my part) can be seen here and in my collection of disturbing-quotes-from-"family-values"-people-done-in-needlework (here, here, here, here, here, and here), as well as my "Homeland Security Blanket" (a child-size quilt of rather upsetting images from the government's own homeland security preparedness website), and it's companion pieces the ABC cross-stitch of scary things, and terror alert chart Cross-stitch and Pillow.

So it's possible I'm a little biased because their tactic is the same one that I love to use, but I really don't find them that annoying. And if they convince people not to smoke, all the better.
 
Violet Lightning, I actually agree with many of the family-values sentiments in your needlework. 
 
 
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I want to blow smoke into those self-righteous idiots face and flick my butt at them. I wonder how many of them smoke something "alternative"?
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Originally posted by Big Momma Big Momma wrote:

Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

I think you may be missing the point/message. The reason they're doing this stuff is that these are really disturbing facts that aren't widely known, and they're trying to get the information out there. I believe it's called irony.

Other examples of irony (and some shameless self-promotion on my part) can be seen here and in my collection of disturbing-quotes-from-"family-values"-people-done-in-needlework (here, here, here, here, here, and here), as well as my "Homeland Security Blanket" (a child-size quilt of rather upsetting images from the government's own homeland security preparedness website), and it's companion pieces the ABC cross-stitch of scary things, and terror alert chart Cross-stitch and Pillow.

So it's possible I'm a little biased because their tactic is the same one that I love to use, but I really don't find them that annoying. And if they convince people not to smoke, all the better.
 
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I like it too, but where is it?



OMG, I totally have one of those! I think we lost the various tubings and attachments years ago, I've only ever used it as a hot water bottle. Ours is from the 60's, and I loooooove it. It's a lifesaver for sore muscles.

On another note, on a feminist blog I read occasionally there was a discussion about the use of "douche" as an insult. I think the end result was that people agreed that it should be used as an insult, because douches are bad for you - you know, invented by "the man", and ultimately more harmful than they ever were helpful. (Okay, I don't think anyone said "the man", I made that part up. But you get my point.)
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DID YOU KNOW?

Truth is funded by Phillip Morris and was created after a law was passed in 1997.


Well I looked this up, because if it was true, that would be interesting to say the least. And it is true, for the most part, but it's also a little misleading. They provide funding because of a settlement for a lawsuit (it's not a law), as do several other tobacco companies. But they don't have any say in how the money is used, or anything. They also agreed to several restrictions on advertising and marketing and to release various internal documents. I'm always shocked when I find old magazines and TV Guides, they have so many cigarette ads in them.

But there's good news for those of you that don't like these ads, from the American Legacy Foundation's website, about their truth campaign:

"The American Legacy Foundation, which provides strategic direction and funding for the truth® campaign, received in 2003 what is likely its final payment to the National Public Education Fund established by the Master Settlement Agreement.  Despite its success, the truth® campaign now faces an unprecedented funding challenge."

I'm kind of curious what shows you guys see these ads during, because I think I've only seen the latest ad once . . . although it's possible I've just been able to fast forward through it whenever it's on a show I'm watching.
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Originally posted by violetlightning violetlightning wrote:

I think you may be missing the point/message. The reason they're doing this stuff is that these are really disturbing facts that aren't widely known, and they're trying to get the information out there. I believe it's called irony.

Other examples of irony (and some shameless self-promotion on my part) can be seen here and in my collection of disturbing-quotes-from-"family-values"-people-done-in-needlework (here, here, here, here, here, and here), as well as my "Homeland Security Blanket" (a child-size quilt of rather upsetting images from the government's own homeland security preparedness website), and it's companion pieces the ABC cross-stitch of scary things, and terror alert chart Cross-stitch and Pillow.

So it's possible I'm a little biased because their tactic is the same one that I love to use, but I really don't find them that annoying. And if they convince people not to smoke, all the better.
 
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Originally posted by Hootman Hootman wrote:

I like it too, but where is it?

 
 
LOLHooty, did ya wait til the end of the commercial? You know, where it says "but wait, if you order in the next 10 minutes...."
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I agree. "Douchenozzle" is one of my new favorite words.
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But, I have to say that "douchenozzles" is myword of the week.
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Almost as bad are the ads shown during Yankees and Mets games on their respective channels, usually followed by a graphic reading "QUIT SMOKING NOW."  I don't smoke(though in the interest of full disclosure, I did try it), but I think the reaction of the average smoker to those ads would be a raised middle finger and a hearty "F*** YOU!"
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