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Yes, it's true-- televangelists and their ilk have, over the years, preached against the very medium that made them who and what they are, oftentimes using that medium to do it. Here's a sample, from Jimmy Swaggart:

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?""

Hear that? He is preaching against television, totally oblivious to the fact that he has a television ministry. Jesus plainly exposed such blatant Phariseeism and hypocrisy in Matthew 23:3:

"Therefore, all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them." (New American Standard Version)

In other words, Swaggart is using the media (television) to preach against the media (television). That's blatant hypocrisy, and he is not the only one guilty of it. The Duggars ("Jon and Kate +8") have also done such things, in that they use/have used their reality show to preach about why they don't watch television. Jerry Falwell and his so-called "Moral Majority" have also done it.
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Originally posted by bmasters9 bmasters9 wrote:

Yes, it's true-- televangelists and their ilk have, over the years, preached against the very medium that made them who and what they are, oftentimes using that medium to do it. Here's a sample, from Jimmy Swaggart:

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?""

Hear that? He is preaching against television, totally oblivious to the fact that he has a television ministry. Jesus plainly exposed such blatant Phariseeism and hypocrisy in Matthew 23:3:

"Therefore, all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them." (New American Standard Version)

In other words, Swaggart is using the media (television) to preach against the media (television). That's blatant hypocrisy, and he is not the only one guilty of it. The Duggars ("Jon and Kate +8") have also done such things, in that they use/have used their reality show to preach about why they don't watch television. Jerry Falwell and his so-called "Moral Majority" have also done it.

Swaggart is a little odd...his cousin (Jerry Lee Lewis) slept with his (Swaggart) cousin!

Falwell is gone and has been for 4 years, but Televangelists like Ernest Angely actually profit from TV. WBNX (Cleveland's CW affiliate) is pwned by Rev. Angely...it was supposed to be Rex Humbard's station, but because of the Preacher's Scandals and Humbard spending too much time with Elvis...Humbard fled to Florida 'till his death in 2007. Now WBNX is the 3rd-Biggest CW Affiliate in the nation next to Boston's WLVI and Phoenix's KASW. (In the show that I'm hoping to make called "Bertstown", There's a character named The Reverend, we call him Reverend and his real name is NEVER revealed...though he looks and talks VERY similar to Ernest Angely and many of his follies come from other Televangelists and he also pwns Cathedral Community College which is a mash-up between The Cathedral of Tomorrow, Cuyahoga Community College, and Oral Roberts University...and there's a 900''' (75') Jesus up front of the Cathedral).

The other Televangelist that profited from TV is Dr. Charles Ford Stanley. He pwns FamilyNet and has his TV Show "In Touch" played on TV on Sundays a lot.

And oddly enough...Angely and Stanley are two of the Preachers on TV I like.  
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Originally posted by MrCleveland MrCleveland wrote:

Originally posted by bmasters9 bmasters9 wrote:

Yes, it's true-- televangelists and their ilk have, over the years, preached against the very medium that made them who and what they are, oftentimes using that medium to do it. Here's a sample, from Jimmy Swaggart:

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?""

Hear that? He is preaching against television, totally oblivious to the fact that he has a television ministry. Jesus plainly exposed such blatant Phariseeism and hypocrisy in Matthew 23:3:

"Therefore, all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them." (New American Standard Version)

In other words, Swaggart is using the media (television) to preach against the media (television). That's blatant hypocrisy, and he is not the only one guilty of it. The Duggars ("Jon and Kate +8") have also done such things, in that they use/have used their reality show to preach about why they don't watch television. Jerry Falwell and his so-called "Moral Majority" have also done it.

Swaggart is a little odd...his cousin (Jerry Lee Lewis) slept with his (Swaggart) cousin!

Falwell is gone and has been for 4 years, but Televangelists like Ernest Angely actually profit from TV. WBNX (Cleveland's CW affiliate) is pwned by Rev. Angely...it was supposed to be Rex Humbard's station, but because of the Preacher's Scandals and Humbard spending too much time with Elvis...Humbard fled to Florida 'till his death in 2007. Now WBNX is the 3rd-Biggest CW Affiliate in the nation next to Boston's WLVI and Phoenix's KASW. (In the show that I'm hoping to make called "Bertstown", There's a character named The Reverend, we call him Reverend and his real name is NEVER revealed...though he looks and talks VERY similar to Ernest Angely and many of his follies come from other Televangelists and he also pwns Cathedral Community College which is a mash-up between The Cathedral of Tomorrow, Cuyahoga Community College, and Oral Roberts University...and there's a 900''' (75') Jesus up front of the Cathedral).

The other Televangelist that profited from TV is Dr. Charles Ford Stanley. He pwns FamilyNet and has his TV Show "In Touch" played on TV on Sundays a lot.

And oddly enough...Angely and Stanley are two of the Preachers on TV I like.  

I myself like Dr. Don Wilton; he preaches from Spartanburg, Sundays at 11 A.M. on Channel 7. By the way, I do realize that Jerry Falwell has been gone, but didn't he have a television ministry once? I'm pretty sure that he did.
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I don't get the whole televangelism thing.  Having grown up Roman Catholic, we didn't really get "preachers" preaching to us.  At Mass, we had a "homily", but it was brief and wasn't loaded with emotion and healings and fire and brimstone.  So, if you're Catholic, this televangelism stuff doesn't even have "that old-time religion" feel going for it.
 
The closest we ever get to televangelism is Sunday Mass being broadcast on TV.
 
 
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It's in keeping with the usual hypocracy. Did they mention in the sermons that it's also a sin to convince little old ladies to fork over their pensions to charlatans? I thought not.
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The charlatanism of some of these guys is so obvious, I'm not even sure I could call them hypocrites.  They're just charlatans doing what charlatans do.
 
 
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I've always wondered what the hell(no pun intended) is wrong with these so-called Christians? But I doesn't take a degree in social anthropology to figure out such hypocrites. The only bright side is that if they are against television we can finally be free from those crazy-ass 24-hour fundie networks.
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Makes about as much sense as the loons I encounter in some forums, using the net to bitch about technology.
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Originally posted by PitLoad413 PitLoad413 wrote:

But I doesn't take a degree in social anthropology to ...
 
And I guess you doesn't take a degree in English, either.
 
 
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There WAS .... a young TV minister of a large, non-denominational church around here, who was found dead in a NYC hotel room a few months ago, with an envelope of the oft described but non-disclosed "white-powdery substance" in his possession.
 
The medical examiners in NY performed the autopsy & toxicology tests, but the pastor's family sued to have the results kept secret. A judge ruled against them but then suspended implementation of his ruling to allow the family time to decide how they will proceed legally.
 
I think it's fairly obvious that the fact that they are fighting to have the results kept secret pretty much tells everyone exactly what those results are, seeing as how if no drugs were found in his system, they'd obviously be trumpeting that fact as loud as they could.
 
Anyway.... the replacement "pastor" the church board of directors chose is a woman who is known for preaching "the prosperity gospel". IOW.... "ya gotta spend money (give $$$$ to the church) in order to make money (have God answer your prayers to win the lottery)". The old "tithing will get you a nice, fat return on your investment" ruse so many of these charlatans use to con greedy, money hungry simpletons who actually believe that they're true Christians & that being one involves paying mere lip service to Jesus while being run-of-the-mill, materialistic, self-interested pricks in real life.
 
The church members have been vocally protesting her appointment too. They are saying that it's because they had no say in the process, but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the membership is predominantly African American (as was the deceased former pastor) & the new replacement is white(oddly enough, her last name is "White" too!!). I'd like to think it was because they eschew her message of greed & money, but if they willingly paid heed to the words of a drug using phony like the last guy, I don't have much faith in their judgement on that issue.
 
This is the new "pastor", Paula White.
 
 
Real "faith inspiring gal", eh? Dead
 
And the deceased, Rev. Zachary Tims:
 
 
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What I meant to say was: "It doesn't take a social anthropologist to figure out that such con-artists are damning to very thing that is providing their asses with an income. That and the fact that Televangelists are the worst of all hypocrites even worse than President Obama and the 2012 GOP Presidential Candidates.
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Originally posted by PitLoad413 PitLoad413 wrote:

What I meant to say was: "It doesn't take a social anthropologist to figure out that such con-artists are damning to very thing that is providing their asses with an income. That and the fact that Televangelists are the worst of all hypocrites even worse than President Obama and the 2012 GOP Presidential Candidates.
 
I sometimes feel that way with actual preachers as well as TV preachers!
 
I was at an Advent Concert enjoying the music and then the associate pastor said "We STILL need more $$$ for our organ"!
 
The common church now too has that "God Loves You...Now Give Me Money" attitude!
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Originally posted by MrCleveland MrCleveland wrote:

The common church now too has that "God Loves You...Now Give Me Money" attitude!
You need to find a Differant Church.
 
The Bible warns against Preachers such as these. "Beware of False Prophets who come at you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravining wolves". (Matthew 7:15)
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Regulus is right.  I've been to 2 churches that preached money all the time.  The last one we attended, here in NY, was the worst at that.


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It's like--a weird paradox. Why are they on TV if they hate preaching there?
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Originally posted by MrsHill MrsHill wrote:

Regulus is right.  I've been to 2 churches that preached money all the time.  The last one we attended, here in NY, was the worst at that.
 
Back in the late 70's my old surfing buddy got me into going to this non-denominational church for awhile.
 
The people who ran it (the head pastor & his family) were former restauratuers from Puerto Rico who got out of the restaurant business & tried to strike it rich in the religion business.
 
Bought the properrty & built this beautiful state-of-the art church with a sound system & recording booth to tape all their sermons which they then copied via high speed copier from a master cassette onto blanks cassettes & sold via mail order.
 
My friend & I ocasionally volunteered our time copying tapes & boxing them up.
 
Almost every sermon was primarily about money, money, money, money.
 
I don't think it was very profitable for them though. A couple of years later, I ran into one of the two associate pastors who had also been the head pastor's son in law. He told me that their daughter divorced him & the family sold the church & moved back to PR.
 
 
 
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I already told y'all about our former church and their style.  The pastors were also husband and wife. She had no outside job, homeschooled the kids, ran the church activities, etc.  He works in town at a factory.  When he said he needed to quit his job to become the full time pastor and we had to donate more money to support his family, I thought to myself, "you best keep working.  I didn't have those kids with you."
 
When we made it clear that we weren't coming back, they had people drop off cards and fruit to get us to come back.  Not once did the pastors try to get in touch with us.


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Maybe they were just shy..... Embarrassed
 
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I was never religious---not even as a Catholic school kid.  When I got my First Communion and all my classmates were going to Communion every week, I only went once a month.  Just never got into it, and never particularly wanted to explore other churches.
 
But "Catholic" is my background, so that's what I'll always think of myself as.  I guess it's more of a cultural thing.  Kinda like Jews.  Most Jews I know say being Jewish is more of a cultural than a religious thing to them. 
 
 
 
 
 
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When I was growing up, my cousins took me to a Lutheran church with them.  When they left the nest, I didn't go to church, because my parents never went.
 
As I got older, I felt something was missing.  I was Baptised in the Baptist church, along with my kids.  I stayed for a couple years until it got ridiculous.  They got so concerned about money that they were posting in the bulletin what everybody gave for the month to shame us.  I just started giving cash....then I left.
 
Max and I joined this church here in NY.  They dropped a turkey and stuff off to us right before one Thanksgiving, out of nowhere.  We live in an economically disadvantaged county, and I liked the work they did.  While Max was in the hospital, I went for my first visit with them; told Max about them, and we went together the next Sunday.  We joined.  I told the wife/pastor something very personal about myself.  When she decided to make a sermon of it, and call it a "poverty mentality", we left.
 
I miss working on the community-based projects.  I don't miss the sermons.  They revolve around cash and personal opinions.
 
Max's mom wants us to keep trying to find a church home.  I feel burned by the churches I have belonged to, and I'm not too keen on finding another.  I'm afraid of going through the same crap.


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I just had about a half hour or so long, conversation with a couple of nice young African American Jehova's Witnesses earlier this morning.
 
I was in the process of nicely sending them on their way, but then my mouth wouldn't quit when it was supposed to & the next thing I knew, I was explaining my agnostic views to them & the guy was probing me to explain further at which point he would offer up a scripturally based counter point, etc. etc. etc.
 
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Originally posted by MrsHill MrsHill wrote:

I miss working on the community-based projects.  I don't miss the sermons.  They revolve around cash and personal opinions.
 
Max's mom wants us to keep trying to find a church home.  I feel burned by the churches I have belonged to, and I'm not too keen on finding another.  I'm afraid of going through the same crap.
 
Why don't you try doing what a lot of people in your situation have done, get some like minded friends & friends of friends together, & start your own home-based Bible study/prayer group?
 
You could have your weekly meetings at each others' homes, bring food, plan community projects, etc.
 
It would sound both fullfilling & fun to me if I were the religious type.
 
 
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I just had about a half hour or so long, conversation with a couple of nice young African American Jehova's Witnesses earlier this morning.
 
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