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Topic: VW Tiguan, puddle, sissy boys, brave girl
Posted By: Thor
Subject: VW Tiguan, puddle, sissy boys, brave girl
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 11:52pm
You go, girl! LOL
 
 
 
 
Does this PC nonsense never end?
 
 
 



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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 12:04am
Would it make you feel any better if I told you that guys only make those kind of PC, pro-girl commercials to get laid?





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Posted By: OperatorStandingBy
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 1:27am
Nothing to see here folks, move along..................

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Posted By: Kelly H
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 2:51am
on a lighter note - how funny would that commercial had been if there was a giant sinkhole under that puddle....


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

You go, girl! LOL



Does this PC nonsense never end?



She must've been in a hurry to get to McDonald's for a McWoman/McFemale/McLady/McGal/McChick/McPC/McWhatever Burger...



http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/news/companies/mcdonalds-international-womens-day/index.html" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: aka ron
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 3:33pm


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Posted By: DarkRealmStar
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 5:47pm
I don't remember any kids including myself who shied away from riding through a puddle.  Confused  More wussification of the males and this BS PC girl power crap.  Dead


Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

I don't remember any kids including myself who shied away from riding through a puddle.  Confused  More wussification of the males and this BS PC girl power crap.  Dead
 
Right.  They can't just show her going through a puddle; she has to do it to denigrate the boys.  And it's all considered cool.
 
 


Posted By: zippyjet
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 11:49pm
Originally posted by aka ron aka ron wrote:

 
That beatch's music especially this one and Ruby Reddress and Delta Dawn should be used as instruments of torture (persuasion) for the terrorists at Gitmo.


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Posted By: OperatorStandingBy
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 12:09am
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

I don't remember any kids including myself who shied away from riding through a puddle.  Confused  More wussification of the males and this BS PC girl power crap.  Dead
 
Right.  They can't just show her going through a puddle; she has to do it to denigrate the boys.  And it's all considered cool.
 
 

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Posted By: MrTim
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 5:33am
Years later, she will arrogantly drive her car down a flooded street, then drown after the car rolls over into an unseen submerged drainage ditch.  Cry  (Similar incidents like this are actually pretty common on the news...)


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Posted By: Ad nauseous
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

You go, girl! LOL



Does this PC nonsense never end?



She must've been in a hurry to get to McDonald's for a McWoman/McFemale/McLady/McGal/McChick/McPC/McWhatever Burger...



http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/news/companies/mcdonalds-international-womens-day/index.html" rel="nofollow -

BTW does this mean we can call them Wackdonalds!?

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Posted By: aka ron
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Kelly H Kelly H wrote:

on a lighter note - how funny would that commercial had been if there was a giant sinkhole under that puddle....
LOL

Turn down the sound! The guy's laugh is enough to make a nun swear.




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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 4:59pm
That's pretty f**king funny!!!

I'd be laughing just like that if some friend of mine did that.

Sounds kinda like the way a few of us laughed the time this guy we knew was sitting on his sofa when he lifted his legs up and tried to light a fart. It caused the fringes of his cut off shorts to catch on fire, so he had to sit there with his ass up in the air, beating on his nuts to put the flames out.

Never let him live that one down.

Don't think he ever tried to light a fart again, though.





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Posted By: aka ron
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 5:07pm
^LOLLOL




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Posted By: sgtrock21
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by Ad nauseous Ad nauseous wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

You go, girl! LOL



Does this PC nonsense never end?



She must've been in a hurry to get to McDonald's for a McWoman/McFemale/McLady/McGal/McChick/McPC/McWhatever Burger...



http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/news/companies/mcdonalds-international-womens-day/index.html" rel="nofollow -

BTW does this mean we can call them Wackdonalds!?
So McDonald's "Golden Arches" have become "Hanging Hooters".Wink

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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 8:01pm
Originally posted by aka ron aka ron wrote:

^LOLLOL


I don't know what was funnier, the sight of this dumbass sitting there with his legs in the air beating on his nuts or the look of utter dumbfounded surprise and shock on his face while he was doing it.

Together.... priceless.


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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by sgtrock21 sgtrock21 wrote:

So McDonald's "Golden Arches" have become "Hanging Hooters".Wink


I wish someone would climb up there and put nipples on the ends of them.


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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2018 at 11:33pm
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Would it make you feel any better if I told you that guys only make those kind of PC, pro-girl commercials to get laid?



 
I've always suspected that guys who call themselves "feminists" do so because they're hot for those chicks. 
 
And that they've gone to women's rallies in SF because they've heard that women like to get topless at them.
 
OK, that last one might've been me in 1981.
 
 
 


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2018 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

I've always suspected that guys who call themselves "feminists" do so because they're hot for those chicks.

And that they've gone to women's rallies in SF because they've heard that women like to get topless at them.

OK, that last one might've been me in 1981.


No cover charge, no minimum drink purchase and no expectation of dollars being tucked into their waistbands.

What's not to like?



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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2018 at 11:49pm
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

I've always suspected that guys who call themselves "feminists" do so because they're hot for those chicks.

And that they've gone to women's rallies in SF because they've heard that women like to get topless at them.

OK, that last one might've been me in 1981.


No cover charge, no minimum drink purchase and no expectation of dollars being tucked into their waistbands.

What's not to like?

 
Yeah.  Well, the type of girl who'd get topless at a feminist rally sort of mitigates the minimum drink purchase/money expectations.
 
Nothing's free.  Well, nothing good, anyway.  LOL
 
Still, no harm done.  The rally was only about 1/4 mile from my apartment at the time.  LOL
 
 


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2018 at 12:48am
OK, I held off as long as I could, dammit.



Sorry.



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Posted By: PaWolf
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2018 at 1:20am
DisapproveForget this silliness!
I greeted every strong woman I ran into with a 'Happy International Women's Day' and was either frowned upon or asked if I was really trying to get some attention...what a bunch o'biatches.
I should have fired a woman on International Women's Day - I'll set a reminder for next year. Gives me a year to pick a victim.

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Posted By: aka ron
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2018 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

OK, I held off as long as I could, dammit.



Sorry.

LOLLOL

I know we need to be careful what we post here, I just can't help it!  I'm demented!

Bad grandma has left the room.


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Posted By: DarkRealmStar
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2018 at 6:47pm
^ What are you going to do if someone (and it won't be me!) puts in a complaint to FA?  I don't think if it is on YT that re-posting here is in violation of anything.  I still don't get what that little kerfuffle was about.  Confused  I mean, remember the actual commercial that was airing in prime time on national TV with the various people's butt cracks showing to advertise some plumbing thing?  Confused


Posted By: msmadz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 7:15pm
I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign. No owner/operator is going to pay for a crane and electrician to come in and "flip" the arches. Those signs are illuminated making it impossible to flip. Not to mention how freaking HUGE they are.

And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.

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Posted By: DarkRealmStar
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign. No owner/operator is going to pay for a crane and electrician to come in and "flip" the arches. Those signs are illuminated making it impossible to flip. Not to mention how freaking HUGE they are.

And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.
I was thinking the same thing.  Are they telling us all the McDonald's flipped their signs for the day?  I don't think so.  Stern Smile

I think it was a backhanded compliment from Micky D's.  "You want International Women's Day?"  Well, how about this?  LOL


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign. No owner/operator is going to pay for a crane and electrician to come in and "flip" the arches. Those signs are illuminated making it impossible to flip. Not to mention how freaking HUGE they are.

And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.


I was thinking the same thing.  Are they telling us all the McDonald's flipped their signs for the day?  I don't think so.  Stern Smile

I think it was a backhanded compliment from Micky D's.  "You want International Women's Day?"  Well, how about this?  LOL


In terms of common Sense thinking, you both make good points. However, events don't always follow common sense.

I did some Googlin', and found out that lo' and behold, the upside down sign is actually a real thing!!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/07/youre-not-imagining-mcdonalds-logo-upside-down/404976002/" rel="nofollow - You're not imagining it. The McDonald's logo is upside down <--- link



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Posted By: MrCleveland
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

OK, I held off as long as I could, dammit.



Sorry.


Is it me or...do the McDonald's arches upside-down look like Diane Choksondik's boobs?



And for that VW Commercial...those boys are girls! I used to play in the mud...and I'd like to again one day!


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Posted By: sgtrock21
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign. No owner/operator is going to pay for a crane and electrician to come in and "flip" the arches. Those signs are illuminated making it impossible to flip. Not to mention how freaking HUGE they are.

And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.


I was thinking the same thing.  Are they telling us all the McDonald's flipped their signs for the day?  I don't think so.  Stern Smile

I think it was a backhanded compliment from Micky D's.  "You want International Women's Day?"  Well, how about this?  LOL


In terms of common Sense thinking, you both make good points. However, events don't always follow common sense.

I did some Googlin', and found out that lo' and behold, the upside down sign is actually a real thing!!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/07/youre-not-imagining-mcdonalds-logo-upside-down/404976002/" rel="nofollow - You're not imagining it. The McDonald's logo is upside down <--- link

I saw only once on the news that the flipped arches were in Los Angeles. Southern California. No further explanation required. 

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Posted By: msmadz
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by sgtrock21 sgtrock21 wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign. No owner/operator is going to pay for a crane and electrician to come in and "flip" the arches. Those signs are illuminated making it impossible to flip. Not to mention how freaking HUGE they are.

And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.


I was thinking the same thing.  Are they telling us all the McDonald's flipped their signs for the day?  I don't think so.  Stern Smile

I think it was a backhanded compliment from Micky D's.  "You want International Women's Day?"  Well, how about this?  LOL


In terms of common Sense thinking, you both make good points. However, events don't always follow common sense.

I did some Googlin', and found out that lo' and behold, the upside down sign is actually a real thing!!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/07/youre-not-imagining-mcdonalds-logo-upside-down/404976002/" rel="nofollow - You're not imagining it. The McDonald's logo is upside down <--- link

I saw only once on the news that the flipped arches were in Los Angeles. Southern California. No further explanation required. 


Yes, 1 store. Just saw trhe storey myself.

Gee, I just got the warm and fuzzies (gag).

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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by sgtrock21 sgtrock21 wrote:

I saw only once on the news that the flipped arches were in Los Angeles. Southern California. No further explanation required.







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Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 7:07pm
How much ya wanna make a bet that it was a team of men who did the actual installation?
 
 


Posted By: Thor
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 7:10pm
The article states that 6 out of 10 McDonalds franchises are owned by women.  So, why exactly do these female owners feel they have to actually promote a "Woman's Day"?
 
All this "women's day", "women's month" stuff has really gotten ridiculous.  In this country, at least, I'm pretty sure women are doing just fine...probably better than men, in fact.  Life expectancy, wages, health, college enrollment, drug abuse, etc---maybe it's not the women who need "special" days and months.  LOL
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

How much ya wanna make a bet that it was a team of men who did the actual installation?


Well, that kind of physical labor grunt work is all we are good for anyway.




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Posted By: msmith
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 10:31pm
Originally posted by MrCleveland MrCleveland wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

OK, I held off as long as I could, dammit.



Sorry.


Is it me or...do the McDonald's arches upside-down look like Diane Choksondik's boobs?



And for that VW Commercial...those boys are girls! I used to play in the mud...and I'd like to again one day!
 
Looks like the Burger World sign from Beavis and Butthead.


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by msmith msmith wrote:

Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

OK, I held off as long as I could, dammit.



Sorry.


Looks like the Burger World sign from Beavis and Butthead.


Uh-huh-huh-huh.....



...you said sign.


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Posted By: PaWolf
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 12:11am
Originally posted by msmadz msmadz wrote:

I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign...And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.
DisapproveYa got a point Maddy...but I have to say, as a long-time promoter of equality and diversity, every time I said 'Happy International Women's Day' to any strong-minded woman I saw that say, they kicked sand in my face and pushed me aside while smacking my poor bad'ol self with their nasty sagging McHooters...they clearly cared not about an ol'Wolf. Do you think I congratulated the wrong ones? Did I pick out the 'butch-side' of 'dykeism' - the women who wished they weren't?Cry


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Posted By: MrTim
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:25am
Quote msmadz wrote:

I call photoshop BULLsh*t on the overturned McDonald's sign...And yes, whoever said it, they do look like a pair of sagging hooters. Good going! Nice way to honor the day.


Looks more like a sagging butt, actually...  Tongue Wink


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Posted By: OperatorStandingBy
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by Thor Thor wrote:

The article states that 6 out of 10 McDonalds franchises are owned by women.  So, why exactly do these female owners feel they have to actually promote a "Woman's Day"?
 
All this "women's day", "women's month" stuff has really gotten ridiculous.  In this country, at least, I'm pretty sure women are doing just fine...probably better than men, in fact.  Life expectancy, wages, health, college enrollment, drug abuse, etc---maybe it's not the women who need "special" days and months.  LOL
 
 
 ^^This right here^^
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Erick Cartman
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 11:08pm
Not trying to come across as sexist, but I highly doubt most Feminist women want to be treated EXACTLY like men.  Let's face it, men get their asses kicked constantly and don't get coddled.  A woman so much gets a slap in the face, she gets a Go Funds Me page and gets to be trending in the news and gets to go on Oprah's talk show.  Face it, women are treated better than men.


Posted By: DarkRealmStar
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by Erick Cartman Erick Cartman wrote:

Not trying to come across as sexist, but I highly doubt most Feminist women want to be treated EXACTLY like men.  Let's face it, men get their asses kicked constantly and don't get coddled.  A woman so much gets a slap in the face, she gets a Go Funds Me page and gets to be trending in the news and gets to go on Oprah's talk show.  Face it, women are treated better than men.

They sure are!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5500795/Shocking-video-emerges-baseball-player-attacking-girlfriend.html#v-6363656898475767096" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5500795/Shocking-video-emerges-baseball-player-attacking-girlfriend.html#v-6363656898475767096


Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2018 at 12:57am
Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

Originally posted by Erick Cartman Erick Cartman wrote:

Not trying to come across as sexist, but I highly doubt most Feminist women want to be treated EXACTLY like men.  Let's face it, men get their asses kicked constantly and don't get coddled.  A woman so much gets a slap in the face, she gets a Go Funds Me page and gets to be trending in the news and gets to go on Oprah's talk show.  Face it, women are treated better than men.


They sure are!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5500795/Shocking-video-emerges-baseball-player-attacking-girlfriend.html#v-6363656898475767096" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5500795/Shocking-video-emerges-baseball-player-attacking-girlfriend.html#v-6363656898475767096


There are positives and negatives to everything.

No group has it all good and no group has it all bad.

Life is life for everyone.

Jimbo's 2¢.



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Posted By: Jimmy
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 3:34am
The latest ad for this car is absurd. It shows a young couple who are reacting to a report of a falling meteor which will collide with the Earth near their town. They start jamming as much junk from their home into their Tiquan, then the meteor is within sight and they take off......complaining that they forgot their juicer! 
Do they know that the collision will be catastrophic? 
While they are loading their car with junk the music playing sounds like some cheesy Latino music, I hate this ad so much!


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Posted By: Erick Cartman
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 12:48am
Originally posted by Jimmy Jimmy wrote:

The latest ad for this car is absurd. It shows a young couple who are reacting to a report of a falling meteor which will collide with the Earth near their town. They start jamming as much junk from their home into their Tiquan, then the meteor is within sight and they take off......complaining that they forgot their juicer! 
Do they know that the collision will be catastrophic? 
While they are loading their car with junk the music playing sounds like some cheesy Latino music, I hate this ad so much!
The sad thing is, them whining about their juicer in something that will be imminently catastrophic is something many people in real life would do.  Beyond sad really. 


Posted By: MrTim
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 6:05am
Quote Jimmy wrote:

The latest ad for this car is absurd. It shows a young couple who are reacting to a report of a falling meteor which will collide with the Earth near their town. They start jamming as much junk from their home into their Tiquan, then the meteor is within sight and they take off......complaining that they forgot their juicer! 
Do they know that the collision will be catastrophic? 
While they are loading their car with junk the music playing sounds like some cheesy Latino music, I hate this ad so much!


"As the car pulls out of the driveway, Grandma, sitting in a wheelchair by the window, can be seen giving them the finger..." 
LOL


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Posted By: purple rose
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2018 at 6:05am
Originally posted by Jimbo Jimbo wrote:

Originally posted by DarkRealmStar DarkRealmStar wrote:

Originally posted by Erick Cartman Erick Cartman wrote:

Not trying to come across as sexist, but I highly doubt most Feminist women want to be treated EXACTLY like men.  Let's face it, men get their asses kicked constantly and don't get coddled.  A woman so much gets a slap in the face, she gets a Go Funds Me page and gets to be trending in the news and gets to go on Oprah's talk show.  Face it, women are treated better than men.


They sure are!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5500795/Shocking-video-emerges-baseball-player-attacking-girlfriend.html#v-6363656898475767096" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5500795/Shocking-video-emerges-baseball-player-attacking-girlfriend.html#v-6363656898475767096
 

There are positives and negatives to everything.

No group has it all good and no group has it all bad.

Life is life for everyone.

Jimbo's 2¢.



That's my take on it too.  And most women, if we're completely honest about it, will use our "feminine wiles" when it gets us what we want.   It even works for the old 'uns like me.   



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